Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr

[pk]

On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for
> us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what
> is already there.

Although, one thing which I find very annoying is that the things that
depend on it starts dbus-launch/daemon no matter if I don't want to run
it or not (it's not running acc. to rc-update show but ps -ef shows both
dbus-launch and dbus-daemon running). I'm using Xfce4 and have Audacious
installed which depends on dbus-glib, which of course depends on dbus
itself. No other packages uses it (USE= -dbus). Xfce4 and Audacious
hasn't used dbus before a certain version (at least it has not been
mandatory) and I've been using them for years (haven't had the time to
look for alternatives yet).
 In general I have a problem with packages that pulls in *something*
which in turn depends on *something else* which in turn... overlapping
functionality etc. It's quite troublesome to keep, for instance, gconf
out of my system (masked by me to detect any "upgrades" that tries to
pull it in)...

In my "world" software (in general) should not become an "obstacle"; it
is just a tool to accomplish whatever you want it to do. Ideally the OS
(and whatever interfaces the user) shouldn't consume _any_ resources at
all (yes, I'm well aware that it's not possible). Resource usage should
at least be kept to a minimum, otherwise I have to buy new faster
hardware for each "upgrade" (be it for security, for functionality etc.)
and if I liked that I could just go with Windows. My whole complaint
about this udev business is that we're "ballooning" out of control, IMO,
becoming the "monster" that, I assume, most of us wanted to avoid.

PS. My animosity towards dbus is "historical"; I did use it years ago
(together with gnome, gconf etc.) which caused me nothing but trouble.
I've avoided that crap ever since. I do agree that the idea _behind_
dbus seems sensible but I'm not so sure about the implementation.

Best regards

Peter K