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On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 19:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine |
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> thusly: |
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> > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, walt wrote: |
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> > > On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: |
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> > > > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote: |
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> > > >> For you users of unstable gentoo: the recent update of 'icu' broke |
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> > > >> dozens of packages (as it always does) including libreoffice. |
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> > > >> |
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> > > >> The problem is that libreoffice fails to build if you have bison-2.5 |
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> > > > |
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> > > > I have bison-2.5, but am using libreoffice-bin which seems fine. |
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> > > Yes, that would be expected because bison is needed only at compile time, |
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> > > not at run time. |
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> > > |
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> > > I would be using libreoffice-bin too, except for a ridiculous change made |
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> > > about a year ago in the way openoffice charts are scaled on the y-axis. |
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> > > |
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> > > I complained bitterly on the openoffice 'chart' mail list, only to |
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> > > discover that openoffice changed its perfectly good scaling algorithm to |
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> > > ape a change made in M$ Office! |
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> > > |
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> > > Nobody at openoffice.org would consider reverting that ridiculous mee-too |
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> > > change, so I've been editing the open(libre)office source code to remove |
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> > > it myself before compiling it. I was very disappointed to find a major |
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> > > open- source project following M$ around like a hungry puppy :( |
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> > It's unfortunate that we don't have small, fast, light, standalone |
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> > programs to deal with the formats of word, excel, powerpoint, etc but |
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> > if we did odds are most people would shun them for a big, bloaty |
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> > office suite anyway. Personally, I'd love it if I could open and edit |
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> > those office formats in vim... |
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> What makes you think they don't *already* exist? |
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> * app-office/libreoffice-bin-3.3.2 |
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> Total files : 8138 |
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> Total size : 498.24 MiB |
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> |
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> * app-office/koffice-libs-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 697 |
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> Total size : 19.45 MiB |
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> * app-office/koffice-data-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 214 |
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> Total size : 608.63 KiB |
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> * app-office/karbon-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 160 |
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> Total size : 3 MiB |
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> * app-office/kexi-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 337 |
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> Total size : 8.17 MiB |
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> * app-office/kpresenter-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 188 |
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> Total size : 9.28 MiB |
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> * app-office/krita-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 783 |
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> Total size : 26.10 MiB |
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> * app-office/kspread-2.3.3 |
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> Total files : 337 |
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> Total size : 11.62 MiB |
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> * app-office/kword-2.3.3-r1 |
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> Total files : 215 |
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> Total size : 7.82 MiB |
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> Small, fast, light, standalone: yeah, they are all there. |
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> Editing them in something vim-alike is highly unlikely to be useful - compare |
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> antiword. Office suites are gui programs and the gui layout is as important |
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> (if not more so) than the content. And I haven't even touched on graphics |
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> elements yet. |
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> So you may be able to modify the content but probably not the layout. Have a |
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> look inside OOo source code sometimes for a look at what it takes to calculate |
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> something as "simple" as where on the page some text goes. |
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Do any of them actually work acceptably in terms of compatibility with |
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MSword though? - having a good, lite suit available for the "quick" jobs |
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would be nice. |
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The OO/LibreOffice suits are almost compatible, the others barely if at |
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all. Even simple documents fox abiword for instance, and anything |
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complex is hopeless. |
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And unfortunately, working in an MS centric organisation means close to |
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100% compatibility is demanded by the other end, especially on documents |
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being passed back and forward. |
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BillK |