Re: [gentoo-user] konqueror:5 - why couldn't it be more like konqueror:3 ?!!

[Mick]

On Thursday 20 Apr 2017 14:22:06 R0b0t1 wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote:
> > OK, I know life moves on, but this move has been a retrograde step for me.
> >  My konqueror:5 recently updated seems to have a number of problems and
> > <aheam!> features I am not happy with.  Grateful for any pointers to
> > address these.  In no particular order.
> >
> > 1. The Bookmarks Toolbar will *always* show up when launching Konqueror.
> > I
> > deselect Settings/Toolbars Shown/Bookmark Toolbar and relaunch the
> > application, only to find out my deselection will not stick.
> >
> > 2. The menu shows no icons, only text; buttons like open new tab/close
> > current tab show no icons, making difficult to guess.
> >
> > 3. When used as a file manager Konqueror will only open directories or
> > files if I double click on them.  I have set up in systemsettings5
> > Hardware/Input Devices/Mouse/Single click to open files and folders.
> > Konqueror ignores it.
> >
> > 4. All my years of Bookmarks of Konqueror:4 gone.  I had to import them
> > manually.
> >
> > 5. Network places, gone.
> >
> > 6. Left hand Panels with Places/Devices/Folders ain't thaa'r.
> >
> > 7. Konqueror Introduction page, no icons; unless I hover over them,
> > hyperlinked titles shown in dark grey over a blue background.  I know my
> > eye sight is not as good as it used to be, but this is really akin to
> > usability sabotage.
> >
> > The are probably more problems I have not captured above, but my
> > experience of konqueror:5 is that of crippleware.  I don't know if this
> > has anything to do with it, I am not running konqueror on a full plasma
> > desktop, but as a stand alone application.  Have you observed similar?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Mick
>
> You should take your complaints to the project's bug tracker. I know
> they will take number 7 very seriously, and seeing as you've used the
> project for an appreciable amount of time they will likely consider
> most of your other issues.
>
> At the very least they would probably tell you how to do what you
> don't know how to do. If they can't insist that there has been a
> regression.

Thanks R0b0t1, I don't want to darken their doorstep of devs with issues which 
appear isolated to my systems.  Other M/L participants many of whom are 
running the full Plasma desktop, do not seem to have such problems.  So, I'm 
guessing I must be missing some package or other to complement the required 
functionality.

I'm still on kmail:4 and all menu icons are shown and functionality is not 
crippled in any way.  I fear what might happen when I eventually have to 
install kmail:5.


> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
wrote:
> > Halfway through the KDE-4 lifecycle it became known that konqueror then
> > was essentially without a maintainer in the KDE project. Gut feels tells
> > me that has likely not changed and the minimum work was done to get it
> > to build under KDE-5. Just gut feel.
>
> That is a good guess, but there has also been a transition away from
> skeuomorphism (traditional desktop icons) to what Google calls
> Material Design (which as far as I can tell was actually created by
> various experimental Linux projects who had no artists as
> contributors, so they just started drawing colored squares). The new
> UI for Konquerer may be completely intentional.
>
> I'd consider this not a failing of material design, which can produce
> extremely attractive interfaces, but as a failing of the program; it
> does look like there were features removed. To be fair a lot of things
> that developers do (after seeing Google support it) such as
> discoverable interfaces and minimalist UIs are often done incorrectly
> as there tends to be a huge gulf between developers and their users.
>
> And to everyone: KDE-5 doesn't exist, what you are probably referring
> to is Plasma 5.

I don't recall calling it KDE-5, but if I did, Plasma 5 devs & users please 
accept my apologies (old dog ... new tricks).
-- 
Regards,
Mick