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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:42:37AM -0600, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote |
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> No, because the problem has never been in udev (nor systemd, for that |
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> matter). It fixes how *Gentoo* packages udev; probably the devs read |
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> the following comment from Lennart (note it was written almost a month |
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> ago): |
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> https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/jcCjMct3SJ3 |
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The systemd defenders are using "separate /usr" as a "wookie defense" |
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in an attempt to divert attention form the main issue. Separate /usr |
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is actually a secondary issue. The main issue is whether or not we get |
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systemd rammed down our throats. Lennart and Kay are the people |
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responsible for scaring others into mdev and/or eudev. |
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First Kay... |
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http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-July/006065.html |
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> We promised to keep udev properly *running* as standalone, we never |
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> told that it can be *build* standalone. And that still stands. |
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> We never claimed, that all the surrounding things like documentation |
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> always fully match, if only udev is picked out of systemd. |
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> I would welcome if people stop reading that "promise" into the |
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> announcement, it just wasn't written there. |
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And then Lennart... |
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http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html |
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> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case |
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> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we |
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> can drop that support entirely.) |
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> Lennart |
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> -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. |
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The only assumption I'm making is that Kay and Lennart aren't lying. |
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Kay tells us that we may eventually not be able to build udev |
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standalone; i.e. we may have to build systemd in order to run udev. |
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Gentoo users are familiar with cascading dependancies which tend to |
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bloat our systems, as well as introducing additional points of failure. |
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Lennart goes one step further and looks forward to the day that we may |
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not be able to run udev without running systemd. |
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For those of us who do not want to build, let alone run, systemd, |
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these 2 messages are more than sufficient justification for the eudev |
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fork. |
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-- |
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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> |
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications |
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