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Am 16.02.2014 21:27, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: |
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> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> [snip] |
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>> You may have lost it in the link that Volker posted (thanks Volker), but this |
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>> comment from HaakonKL probably sums it up: |
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>> "... I will give Upstart this though: Should something better come along, you |
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>> could replace upstart. I guess this holds true for OpenRC as well. |
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>> You can't say that about systemd." |
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> I had read that blog entry before. Is full of errors, like believing |
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> that everything that systemd does is inside PID 1. |
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> There is actually little code inside PID 1; most of systemd |
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> functionality comes from separated binaries. You know, do one thing, |
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> do it right? |
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> >From [1]: |
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> "If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will |
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> build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different |
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> tasks, and are neatly separated for a number of reasons." |
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and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that you can't |
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just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it |
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or not. |
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>> Can you surgically remove systemd in the future without reverse engineering |
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>> half of what the LSB would look at the time, or will its developers ensure |
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>> that this is a one time choice only? |
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> You guys talk about software like if it was a big bad black magical |
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> box with inexplicable powers. |
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> If someone is willing and able, *everything* can be "surgically |
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> remove[d]". We got rid of devfs, remember? We got rid of OSS (thank |
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> the FSM for ALSA). We got rid of HAL (yuck!). GNOME got rid of bonobo, |
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> and ESD. KDE got rid of aRts (and who knows what more). |
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yeah, as soon as everybody had worked out devfs it got scrapped. As soon |
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as hal was usable, it was replaced with something new, that never |
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stopped changing since then. And then came pulseaudio. The solution to a |
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problem that does not exist. And because of pulseaudio, all the things |
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that led. to systemd happened. |
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> You can get rid of *everything*, if so you desire. But *someone* needs |
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> to write/patch the code. |
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> Regards. |
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> [1] http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html |
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I am not trusting the people who lied about udev. |
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