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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:39:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: |
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>> What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it |
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>> altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. |
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>> Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever |
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>> done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I |
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>> removed nano. |
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> That's the point though, nano is not a system package, it is not needed |
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> for Gentoo to be usable. You need an editor, but it does not have to be |
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> nano, that is simply the default if the user makes no other choice. |
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> Forcing nano into @system goes against the whole idea of using virtuals |
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> to specify required functionality, rather than requiring a specific |
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> program. |
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That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time |
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it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. Prior to |
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switching to that profile I think @system as about 150 packages. Today |
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it's 389: |
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2stable ~ # emerge -epv @system |
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These are the packages that would be merged, in order: |
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Calculating dependencies... done! |
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[ebuild R ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5-r2 475 kB |
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[ebuild R ] virtual/libintl-0 0 kB |
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<SNIP> |
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[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdesu-4.6.2 USE="handbook (-aqua) -debug |
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(-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" 0 kB |
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[ebuild R ] kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 |
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USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal)" 0 kB |
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[ebuild R ] kde-base/khelpcenter-4.6.2 USE="(-aqua) -debug |
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(-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix)" 0 kB |
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Total: 389 packages (9 new, 380 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 308,431 kB |
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c2stable ~ # |
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My thought at this point is that WRT @system the devs are doing |
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something magic with Gentoo, taking it in some new direction which I |
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don't understand yet, and because of that I'm likely to be confused |
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for some time to come. The idea of a virtual seems very reasonable to |
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me, but somehow it seems the implementation of it all just isn't as |
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clear to me as it should be, and the onus is on me to go learn and not |
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the devs to teach me. |
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Cheers, |
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Mark |
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