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On 2013-09-30 08:45, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> That is over-simplifying the problem and trivializing it. No-one ever |
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> said the *everythign* in /usr is criticial for boot. |
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Is it really over-simplyfying it? How am I supposed to know whatever |
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comes next? Someone ("upstream") *may* find it boot-critical to have |
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'Space Invaders' operational during boot. Yes, I say that somewhat |
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*tounge-in-cheek* but the way things are going I'm not so sure anymore... |
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> This is the problem: |
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> a. There exists code used at boot and early-user space time. It is |
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> critical that this code is available when needed. |
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I fully understand this and *if* I ever were to install code that I |
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*knew* had this dependency I would take a serious look if I really |
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*need* it and only then install it. But it would be up to me to make |
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that decision and take the necessary steps. |
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> b. One cannot predict with absolute certainty 100% of the time what |
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> exactly that critical code is. |
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In a general manner, no, you are correct... Also, see above |
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("Invaders")... (And if you don't understand what I'm trying to say, I'm |
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saying this is as *arbitrary* as it gets - which you, like me, seem to |
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be opposed to["arbitrariness"]) |
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> c. many reasonable setups turn out to have such critical code in /usr, |
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> and this cannot be reliably predicted in advance |
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So I avoid things like Gnome, pulseaudio, systemd and similar stuff like |
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the plague but I *still* shall be forced to use whatever is dictated by |
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these things[1]? Don't get me wrong, if anyone wants to install Gnome or |
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whatever then they should have the restrictions required by it. |
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> Your second paragraph reveals that you beleive you already know |
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> everything you need to have to boot your system. Now do the same for |
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> every possible Gentoo user out there and have it work 100% of the time |
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> in ALL valid cases. |
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I *do* know everything I need to have to boot my system. I carefully |
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select my hardware and I take particular care of how I set up my system |
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thank you very much. But apparently my system is no longer deemed a |
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"valid case"... so I'm obviously not a "possible Gentoo user" anymore. |
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> Do you now see the problem and the fulls cope and impact of it? |
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I've seen it since *long* before this thread started. The main problem |
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is lack of resources (because of stupid decisions upstream which puts a |
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burden on Gentoo devs) and I can't (currently) help much with that other |
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than through monetary means (donations) but since Gentoo seems to go the |
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way of the dodo for me (or "assimilated" if you will) then I will take |
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my leave. For a while now it has only been inertia keeping me here. Or |
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maybe a hope that things will get better... |
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[1] And no, I'm not blaming systemd, Gnome or any of the other "pests" |
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in particular for this... |
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Best regards |
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Peter K |