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From: Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:53:23
Message-Id: CA+czFiCVUa3Q-XTixZJ6FSRN+4hV5wT=mk4QhA-8vdZiLgLYaA@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr by pk
1 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, pk <peterk2@××××××××.se> wrote:
2 > I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of
3 > "modern" parts of the "stack" (as you call it); it's just focused on the
4 > things that matters (for an embedded system). It is the mindset that I'm
5 > after; it seems even kernel developers are thinking "oh, we have so much
6 > memory here so it doesn't matter if we use a few GB here" (yes, I'm
7 > exaggerating). Intel and AMD can't increase the clocks anymore so
8 > they've started to throw more hardware on the ever increasing demand for
9 > computing power... there will be a time when the "bloat" will take it's
10 > toll on more users.
11
12 The kernel configuration process is actually very nice and very easy.
13 You an remove any features you don't want or need. (I'm referring to,
14 e.g. menuconfig. I haven't really used genkernel)
15
16 The first time's the hardest. After you know what parts you need for a
17 given box, it's easy.
18
19 >> Many of us actually like the modern features of the kernel, glibc,
20 >> udev, dbus, systemd, pulseaudio, glib, X.org, GStreamer, Gtk+ and
21 >
22 > There's a lot of people that like Windows 7 and MacOS X too, I hear.
23 > What the ultimate goal (in my view) for systemd, pulseaudio etc. seems
24 > to be is to mimic (poorly) the mentioned OS's.
25
26 FWIW, PulseAudio predates Windows Vista, Windows 7, even MacOS X. I
27 ran it on a 200MHz machine back when it was called Enlightenment Sound
28 Daemon.
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30 With as much as I've poked at PulseAudio, I'd have to say I like it
31 better than I like the Vista/Win7 implementation of sound daemons.
32
33 There's probably not much one can do with PA that one couldn't do with
34 jackd, which is probably better in terms of latency, but I never got
35 around to learning jackd.
36
37 > The Linux kernel, glibc and X I "like", udev used to be nice (well, my
38 > currently installed version works fine), the rest is redundant (more or
39 > less) - in my view (particularly pulseaudio & systemd); I really don't
40 > understand what problems they are solving.
41
42 While I was using PA (I'm not, currently), it was nice for being able
43 to monitor and tune the volume levels of individual programs. That can
44 be important when trying to manage two different VOIP apps, video
45 games and Pandora at the same time.
46
47 --
48 :wq

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr pk <peterk2@××××××××.se>
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT rant] udev + /usr Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>