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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On 12/20/2016 9:33 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de> wrote: |
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>>> systemd is primarily a political project, not a technical one. |
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>> What political benefit do I gain from using and maintaining systemd? |
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> Interesting that you snipped the rest of his comment - or more his main |
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> point - that followed. |
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I don't really consider it political, but I think it was largely |
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correct insofar as one of the goals of systemd is to standardize the |
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core system dependencies/etc so that packages can rely on them being |
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present and vertically integrate. I don't agree that you are "forced" |
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to use systemd. Maybe you might be forced to use a different browser |
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or fork your browser or patch it or stick with an old version and |
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backport security fixes if you want to use it without systemd some |
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day. But, if the entire Firefox developer community quit and decided |
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to do something else (a la Thunderbird) you'd be in a similar boat. |
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Sometimes you get what you pay for. |
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I get that people who want to avoid systemd are frustrated by this, |
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but honestly it feels like spitting against the wind at this point. I |
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was frustrated back when everybody stopped taking care of kde-3.5 and |
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kde-4 wasn't really ready and was a resource hog on older systems. I |
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switched to xfce for a while, because ultimately I can't demand that |
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the kde project cater to my whims. |
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The moment you choose to run code that you didn't write yourself, then |
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you become dependent on them. With FOSS it gives you a lot more |
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options as anybody can potentially fork it and take it in a new |
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direction. That doesn't change the reality that developing FOSS takes |
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work, and if 1% of the community wants to take it in a substantially |
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different direction they're going to have a much harder time of it |
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than the 99%. |
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In general though, nobody is required to engage in |
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debates/arguments/etc here, or even read your posts. People choose to |
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participate in list discussions just as they choose what software they |
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want to maintain. |
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Rich |
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