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On 08/05/2013 06:19 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: |
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> On 04/08/13 05:56, Walter Dnes wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 05:02:39AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote |
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>>> Looking forward to lastrite sys-fs/eudev just like |
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>>> sys-apps/module-init-tools already was removed as unnecessary later on. |
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>> You want eudev removed, and Lennart Poettering wants udev on |
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>> non-systemd systems dropped. Add those two items together, and we get |
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>> systemd rammed down our throats... |
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>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html |
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>>> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case |
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>>> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we |
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>>> can drop that support entirely.) |
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> That might be the systemd upstream view point, but definately isn't mine. |
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> Fact is that udev can be built and ran standalone without systemd and |
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> you don't need eudev for that. |
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For now. And you get a ton of bloat. I removed over 300 unused |
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functions. Furthermore, there is a problem with iface renaming which |
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Ian solved and legacy features are not there. We will continue to |
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support a bootable system with separate /usr without need for an intramfs. |
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But most importantly, you have a different upstream with a different |
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attitude towards the users. Even if the codebase were identical, this |
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makes all the difference to those who want a system the way they want |
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and not the way systemd upstream wants. Your arguments have been |
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ineffective at convincing people because you dismiss this critical point. |
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> If udev upstream makes it impossible to build, or run it standalone then |
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> we need to patch or fork it -- but that's far from now. |
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> In any case there will always be sys-fs/udev and it will never require |
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> sys-apps/systemd. |
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> Futhermore sys-fs/udev will be the default for long as sys-apps/openrc |
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> is the default. |
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> I mean, why the heck fork something too early when upstream still |
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> supports udev on non-systemd init systems?! |
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> - Samuli |
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Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D. |
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Chair of Information Technology |
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