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From: Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:01:48
Message-Id: 201002121401.22902.volkerarmin@googlemail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail? by Zeerak Waseem
1 On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote:
2 > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>
3 >
4 > wrote:
5 > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote:
6 > >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't
7 > >> dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems
8 > >> a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't understand.
9 > >
10 > > That just shows that they are still partially dependent on the DE, KMail
11 > > also needs various KDE libraries. KDE was designed as a cohesive DE, not
12 > > just a bunch of applications with a common look and feel. KDE apps are
13 > > intended to be run on a KDE desktop, anything else is a nice bonus.
14 >
15 > Indeed, and it is a noble pursuit.
16 > But from a marketing aspect, it would make more sense to have things that
17 > aren't -vital- for the app, unlike kde-libs in this case, to be soft (is
18 > this the correct term?) dependencies.
19 > Both aspects could be satisfied by having symantic-desktop as an optional
20 > dep. It's not a vital function for kmail to be able to tag and index all
21 > the files on the computer (which is what the symantic-desktop does if I
22 > understand correctly), it's a nifty thing for KDE users, and soon probably
23 > Gnome users as well, but for anyone else, it's a nifty thing -if- they
24 > feel the need for it. Much like most other bits of software :-)
25 >
26 > In the end there isn't a right or wrong, but just a standpoint. Some don't
27 > mind the bloat (we can agree that it's bloat if you're just going to
28 > disable the function as soon as it's been installed, right?) and don't
29 > consider it to be the slightest bit akin to bloat, whilst to others it's
30 > an unnecessary feature forced on them (mainly thinking of the people not
31 > using kde, but also those kde-users that just disable it) and thus becomes
32 > bloat.
33
34 and luckily for you, there are a lot of 'soft' dependencies. kmail does not
35 force you to install konqueror. It does not force you to install plasma-
36 desktop or systemsettings. It does not force you to install the printing
37 manager ....

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail? Zeerak Waseem <zeerak.w@×××××.com>