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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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<volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: |
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>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> |
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>> wrote: |
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>> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: |
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>> >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't |
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>> >> dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems |
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>> >> a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't understand. |
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>> > |
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>> > That just shows that they are still partially dependent on the DE, |
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>> KMail |
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>> > also needs various KDE libraries. KDE was designed as a cohesive DE, |
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>> not |
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>> > just a bunch of applications with a common look and feel. KDE apps are |
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>> > intended to be run on a KDE desktop, anything else is a nice bonus. |
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>> Indeed, and it is a noble pursuit. |
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>> But from a marketing aspect, it would make more sense to have things |
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>> that |
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>> aren't -vital- for the app, unlike kde-libs in this case, to be soft (is |
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>> this the correct term?) dependencies. |
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>> Both aspects could be satisfied by having symantic-desktop as an |
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>> optional |
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>> dep. It's not a vital function for kmail to be able to tag and index all |
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>> the files on the computer (which is what the symantic-desktop does if I |
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>> understand correctly), it's a nifty thing for KDE users, and soon |
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>> probably |
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>> Gnome users as well, but for anyone else, it's a nifty thing -if- they |
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>> feel the need for it. Much like most other bits of software :-) |
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>> In the end there isn't a right or wrong, but just a standpoint. Some |
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>> don't |
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>> mind the bloat (we can agree that it's bloat if you're just going to |
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>> disable the function as soon as it's been installed, right?) and don't |
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>> consider it to be the slightest bit akin to bloat, whilst to others it's |
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>> an unnecessary feature forced on them (mainly thinking of the people not |
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>> using kde, but also those kde-users that just disable it) and thus |
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>> becomes |
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>> bloat. |
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> |
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> and luckily for you, there are a lot of 'soft' dependencies. kmail does |
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> not |
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> force you to install konqueror. It does not force you to install plasma- |
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> desktop or systemsettings. It does not force you to install the printing |
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> manager .... |
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> |
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But then the question isn't whether there are a number of soft |
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dependencies, but in the case of semantic-desktop whether -it- is a soft |
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dependency. Like previously stated, I don't use kmail, nor do I intend to |
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(I at least think I mentioned it). This is just my take on the matter of |
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whether it is truly necessary, or even a good idea to have |
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symantic-desktop as a hard dependency. |
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And as stated, this is not in the light of a full blown KDE env, but |
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mainly in considerations to when you're using another window manager. Be |
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it icewm, jwm, openbox or whatever. Should something that is an integrated |
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part of the KDE desktop environment be forced on those that don't use KDE? |
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Our opinions on this matter obviously differ, and for that simple reason I |
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find it interesting to find out -why- you think it's okay that they're |
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being forced. And simply stating that the devs' decided that it was how it |
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was done, is pretty much as nonconstructive argument as "dbus is bad |
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because it's new". I'd like to find out why you seem to disagree, so |
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please. By all means, enlighten me :-) (I am asking for it after all ;)) |
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Zeerak |
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