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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Tue 23 August 2011 18:17:17 Stroller did opine thusly: |
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>> On 23 August 2011, at 07:27, Joost Roeleveld wrote: |
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>> > ... |
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>> > |
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>> >> * found this blog-entry against systemd: |
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>> >> |
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>> >> http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/ |
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>> >> |
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>> >> I agree, it might be more useful on desktops ... so far I am |
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>> >> still exploring and learning to get to the point to make a |
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>> >> decision where and if to use. |
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>> > |
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>> > I think it is more useful on desktops and laptops, which get |
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>> > rebooted regularly. On a server that tends to run for months |
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>> > without a reboot, a fast init-system is important. |
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>> > And I don't really see the point of D-BUS on a server either. |
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>> > All the services that need to talk to each other already have |
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>> > working communication paths. |
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>> Reading that blog entry I found discouraging the idea that dbus |
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>> might be required on my servers in the future, if systemd becomes |
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>> popular with distros. |
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> What's your objection to dbus? It gives you a standard message bus, is |
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> small, light, consumes minimal resources and provides a nice standard |
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> way to do IPC. Probably easier than reinventing the wheel with named |
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> pipes and other bits over and over. |
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> Now if it had similarities to say hal, I would instantly understand. |
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> But dbus is good and useful in all the ways that hal isn't. |
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Wasn't. HAL is dead. From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal |
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"HAL is in maintenance mode - no new features are added. All future |
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development focuses on udisks, upower and other parts of the stack. |
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See Software/DeviceKit for more information." |
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HAL was an experiment, and it failed. At some point, dbus was an |
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experiment, and I think it succeeded. Most technologies (KDE, GNOME, |
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pulseaudio, udev, devfs, ALSA, systemd, upstart) start as experiments. |
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Some fail, some succeed, and some are replaced by even newer |
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experiments. |
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It's the only way new and interesting stuff gets created. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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