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From: Marc Joliet <marcec@×××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:34:27
Message-Id: 1631660.tsUNQvXBgp@thetick
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? by Alan Mackenzie
1 Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017, 11:13:30 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
2 > Hello, Wols
3 >
4 > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:
5 [...]
6 > > Lennart doesn't want a system where a small failure in one place
7 > > cascades and brings down a load of stuff elsewhere.
8 >
9 > Neither do I, and neither does anybody. GNU/Linux is not like that, and
10 > never has been.
12 Except where it has, of course. (Seriously, you can't completely avoid
13 breakage when different, independent groups are responsible for different
14 components of a complex, intertwined system.)
16 > It has traditionally been a massive pain to set up,
17 > though, something which has improved dramatically over the last ten or
18 > twenty years.
20 I agree with this, though.
22 > > Granted he's not necessarily the most politic of people, and has ruffled
23 > > a lot of feathers, but I'd much rather a system he's cleaned up, than a
24 > > system where everything hangs together on a knife-edge.
25 >
26 > His motivation seems to be ego. To force everybody to use his software.
27 > He did this by, amongst other things, abusing the trust placed in him to
28 > maintain udev. Early on he abandoned support for udev for everybody but
29 > users of his new init system, systemd, in an attempt (sadly successful)
30 > to force "everybody" into using systemd.
32 Of course, the previous maintainer of udev fully supported whatever changes
33 were made, so you're painting a false picture of a potential different
34 history.
36 > I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal
37 > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It
38 > was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log,
39 > being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ....,
40 > doesn't make it an attractive package for me.
42 *All* of this is "so I have heard". What happened to researching stuff as the
43 better alternative to speaking out of your ass?
45 Speaking for myself, I *switched to* systemd fully on my own, and definitely
46 do *not* regret it. I can't speak for all distros, but all of the ones I know
47 of switched willingly, because for them (as for me), systemd was the better
48 choice. You're not against choice, are you ;-) ?
50 > > Cheers,
51 > > Wol
53 Greetings
54 --
55 Marc Joliet
56 --
57 "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
58 don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de>