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On Jan 14, 2008 1:19 AM, b.n. <brullonulla@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Let me explain. You began complaining because the Gentoo live cd |
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> *exists*, but it is out of date and didn't support your hardware. It's a |
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> reasonable complain in the assumption you need the Gentoo cd (and you |
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> can't do with anything else): you of course want your hardware to be |
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> supported by the medium installation. |
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> Now, imagine the official Gentoo live cd *never existed*. You probably |
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> just would have picked up some cd you knew supported your system (say, |
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> latest Ubuntu) and installed using that. No complaining, no discussions, |
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> everyone happy. |
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You are right. |
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> See? Having the Gentoo live cd *was wrong from the beginning*. It put |
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> another fairly complex piece of software to support on developer |
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> shoulders, offered vanishingly little benefit, and when it fails it |
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> immediately puts blame on Gentoo: "hey this cd doesn't support my |
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> hardware, wtf" that can offset potential users. |
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Still right. |
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> The reason other distro have complex live cds for installing is that |
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> they *need that*. Gentoo does not need this additional complexity. |
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> Nevertheless a live cd there was, but as you experienced, it's more the |
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> trouble it causes than that it solves. |
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I disagree. Gentoo needs it too. Because *THE* point that made me love |
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Gentoo *in the FIRST second*, was: "GOD !!! look at this wonderful |
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handbook !!!! look at that so didactic installation way !!! Let's boot |
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the minimal CD and burn a full LiveCD !" |
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And I was so happy to get my minimal/live CD's that I think "Yeah, a |
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very nice distro, taking your hand from the beginning to bring |
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knowledge step-by-step, providing all that you need... software and |
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amazing doc". |
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> And not having a live cd on which Gentoo is obliged to depend is not a |
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> bug: sir, it's a feature! The live cd didn't support my Macbook Pro |
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> networking. Well, fine: Kubuntu did. I had a Kubuntu 7.10 cd around, |
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> booted from that, no hassle at all. Other distros have to support their |
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> own live cd, and if it fails, installation is impossible. With Gentoo, |
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> we have the full monty of live cds to choose within. It's like a distro |
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> with infinite installers. |
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Yes. It is a feature. As well as the possibility to use minimal/live |
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CD. Look at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ and |
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read the first task requiring staff: "1 accessibility Requested |
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on November 19, 2006 by William Hubbs: Gentoo's accessibility project |
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is in need of help with things such as ebuild maintenance, kernel |
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hacking, and *LiveCD creation*. We're also in need of someone to |
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assist with bug solving." |
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also at the so wonderful handbook, step "2. Choosing the Right |
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Installation Medium"... |
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The feature is *you can* start from any booted linux to setup your |
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Gentoo kernel. Right. But not "there is no Gentoo liveCD and it is |
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what we want". |
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> You are free to create a live cd for Gentoo install, but you're doing |
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> nothing new nor particularly useful. You'll just add one to the list. Why? |
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Because I want. It is sufficient for me. Further details ? I would |
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like to bring the excitation to burn a Gentoo CD to noobs and people |
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that are pleased to get their CD from Gentoo world. And I want a |
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liveCD to make live demo in my linux promotional association, to show |
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how easy emerge is, how very nicely the rc are handled (not based on |
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naming as debian does) and so on... |
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Gal' |
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