Gentoo Archives: gentoo-amd64

From: Frank Peters <frank.peters@×××××××.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:30:33
Message-Id: 20140922153022.b0f67e1f35974448d986205b@comcast.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd by "Canek Peláez Valdés"
1 On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:22:28 -0500
2 Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
3
4 >
5 > As a professional programmer, I completely disagree with any dogma
6 > based on "philosophy" rather than technical merits.
7 >
8 > "So I think many of the "original ideals" of UNIX are these days more
9 > of a mindset issue than necessarily reflecting reality of the
10 > situation.
11 >
12
13 That's not the issue here at all. The issue is the possible
14 hegemony being imposed by systemd. Whether or not this is true
15 this issue at least deserves some attention.
16
17 Regarding the "Unix philosophy," I doubt that anyone still considers
18 that a "pipeline of simple tools" is the ideal approach. Software
19 has assumed gigantic proportions (to match hardware capabilities) of
20 late and that traditional Unix model certainly would never fit.
21
22 But not all software is gigantic. I would venture a guess that
23 a large majority of programs are simple one-off concoctions designed
24 to meet some simple individual need. In these cases it sure is nice
25 to have the standard Unix tools available. I use them frequently
26 for various simple purposes.
27
28 Regarding the booting and configuring of a Linux system, the job can be
29 either very complex or very simple. For the simple case, is there
30 technical merit in having to use systemd? I would claim that there
31 is not. For complex scenarios, by all means utilize systemd.
32 But let's keep the appropriate tools available for the appropriate job.

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Barry Schwartz <chemoelectric@×××××××××××××.org>