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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:11:50 +0200 |
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Jan Kundrát <jkt@g.o> wrote: |
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> b) Localization of Gentoo-developed applications (portage, |
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> gentoolkit,...) including their manpages |
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I don't really like this one. Documentation, sure, but for the tools |
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themselves I think it could cause more problems than actually help. |
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Quoting a relevant discussion from #gentoo-portage earlier today that |
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hopefully explains my concerns: |
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<zmedico> I think if we are going to override LC_MESSAGES then we |
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should consider it in terms of broader gettext support in portage. |
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<zmedico> Flameeyes wants to help internationalize portage... |
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<SpanKY> not much point if we reset language variables |
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<zmedico> yeah, it has to be considered together |
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<genone> zmedico: I don't like that idea much |
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<zmedico> reasoning? |
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<genone> makes support harder |
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<genstef> extending the problem we are trying to solve, yeah |
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<zmedico> we can refuse to support non-english reports. |
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<zmedico> we already to afaik |
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<zmedico> s/to/do/ |
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<genone> I'm not only talking about bugzilla |
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<genstef> haahaa, why do we have it in portage then? |
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<genstef> how can something be both "official" and "unsupported"? ;) |
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* genstef is stealing arguments from his opponents on the mailing |
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lists ;) |
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<zmedico> genone: if not bugzilla, then...? |
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<genstef> forums, irc, mailing lists |
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<genone> zmedico: any support channels: bugzilla, forums, irc, ... |
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<genstef> direct mail |
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<genone> not only support by us, but also user2user |
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<solar> lots of things are officially unsupported |
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<zmedico> I was thinking we could have a mode that gives both english |
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and the user's native locale |
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<solar> like overlays should of been one of those. overlay.dev.gentoo |
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vs overlays.gentoo |
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<genone> zmedico: two tracebacks? ;) |
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* zmedico nods |
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<zmedico> 2 exception strings |
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<genstef> so portage exit errors will be doubled? |
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<genone> IMO english+native is a extremely crappy thing |
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<zmedico> yeah, maybe :) |
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<zmedico> the thing is, nobody forces you to look at forums, irc, mail |
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that's in a foreign language |
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<genone> and my point is that users often don't even realize that their |
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post contains non-english text |
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<zmedico> it's an breach of etiquette, and they should be chastized :) |
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<zmedico> I'd hope it could be handled well enough at a social level |
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<genone> also in my experience translations in FOSS tend to be of poor |
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quality, there have been several situations where I didn't understand |
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what the german translation was supposed to mean where the original was |
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perfectly clear |
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<genone> "Overtranslation" being one big problem |
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<zmedico> that's a problem for the maintainers of the translations. |
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portage devs won't handle translation... |
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<genone> well, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would cause more |
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problems than help |
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<zmedico> too bad not everyone knows english. :) |
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<lisa> too bad not everyone knows norwegian. :) |
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Basically I don't think the benefit is rather dubious or maybe it's |
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just that I had some rather bad experiences with translated versions of |
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FOSS applications, but I'm quite opposed to this part of the project |
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unless you have a way to remove my concerns. |
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Marius |
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