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On 09.06.2014 23:45, hasufell wrote: |
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> Thomas Kahle: |
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>> then they stay in the overlay |
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>> because people feel it is not worth the effort to fix the QA |
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>> issues which in turn would be necessary before moving them to the |
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>> main tree. |
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> Probably because no one mentored them on how to fix these QA issues. |
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> Otherwise... if that's attitude, then that's just sad and has to be |
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> fixed by those who run that overlay (review, contribution guidelines). |
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I was mentored on the QA issues and have come to 'this attitude' |
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myself. Take sci-mathematics/singular: Upstream is genuinely not |
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interested in supporting distriutions or their petty QA unless |
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you can prove them that there is a problem that massively hurts |
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them. Fixing compatibility with user specified LDFLAGS? They'll |
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laugh at you. Their attitude is a result of years and years of |
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struggling with too little manpower themselves. They can hardly |
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keep up with scientific developments. |
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My personal attitude: It is just not worth the effort to rewrite |
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their build systems for the ~10 users out there. I have better |
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things to do with my time and I think that these packages can |
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live forever in the overlay and that is completely OK this way. |
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> And I still think that the top 1 reason people run an overlay is because |
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> it's easier than contributing directly. |
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> A lot of overlay maintainers I tried to convince on getting more |
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> involved even said that. |
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I think that's a different point. I've also met people who just |
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don't want to become developers because their "it's not worth my |
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time" boundary is on the other side of the quizzes. So one could |
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say yes, contributing to overlays is convenient enough to never |
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do quizzes. The arguments I have heard are not about bugzilla |
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workflow. They are: I don't get that much more from being a full |
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dev, so I don't bother taking the quizzes. |
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> Even sunrise workflow has proven too slow and cumbersome... look at the |
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> commit history, it's constantly decreasing. |
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I don't know sunrise. |
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> Sure, reasons may vary, but there is not much positive to say about |
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> current gentoo workflow. |
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Here's a positive thing: There are many ways to contribute, even |
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without taking lenghty quizzes :) |
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Cheers, |
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Thoams |
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