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There is one important difference between dhcpcd being in system and a |
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syslogger being in system - if I don't have syslog-xyz, I can emerge it |
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after I reboot my system; if I don't have dhcpcd I may well not be able |
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to emerge it due to the lack of networking capability. |
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If the stance that 'system' is only the things *absolutely* required for |
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*every* Gentoo installations, the following, at least, also need to be |
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removed (this is from profiles/base/packages): |
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app-arch/cpio # Why is this required? Portage? |
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sys-apps/ed # I don't want it |
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sys-apps/file # I use this, but some people might not |
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sys-apps/findutils # Perhaps I prefer to use find2perl instead |
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sys-apps/kbd # I don't want or need this |
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sys-apps/man-pages # I may not want man pages |
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sys-apps/setserial # I haven't used a serial port in years |
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sys-apps/which # Nice, but is it necessary? |
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sys-devel/bc # Again, nice, but not necessary |
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sys-fs/e2fsprogs # I don't use ext2/3 |
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virtual/ssh # It's possible that not every Gentoo user needs ssh |
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Before you ask, I'm *not* serious about removing the above. The point |
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is, most of the above is required for most reasonable linux |
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installation. Likewise, a DHCP client is required for a very large |
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group of Gentoo users, since updating Gentoo requires internet access. |
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Yes, there are exceptions - such as the guy in this thread who showed us |
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how stupid we all are to actually use DHCP clients on DHCP networks |
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instead of grabbing random IP's until we find one that works - but if it |
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is really such a concern, wouldn't it be sufficient to add a 'dhcp' USE |
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flag to baselayout? If set, it could simply add virtual/dhcp-client to |
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RDEPEND. That way, those few who really don't want a DHCP client can |
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USE=-dhcp and be done with it, and the rest of us don't have to worry |
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about it. |
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-- Jason Rhinelander |
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-- Gossamer Threads, Inc. |
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Tom Payne wrote: |
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> Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but I get the impression that the |
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> there's a misunderstanding here which seems to be the causing the |
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> disagreement. |
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> |
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> The system profile is /not/ the same as what's on the installation CD. |
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> The system profile is the "minimum" Gentoo system -- just the bare bones |
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> (init scripts, glibc, gcc, portage, that sort of thing). |
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> The installation CD includes the system profile and lots of useful other |
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> things, like a web browser (links). |
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> This means that if dhcpc is not in the system profile: |
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> 1) it'll still be on the installation CD so you can install over your |
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> broadband connection, and |
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> 2) if you need it then you'll have to emerge manually (much like you already |
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> have to emerge a system logger and a crond if you want them). |
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> You do not need dhcp to run a minimum Gentoo system so it can be safely |
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> removed from the system profile. |
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