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On Tuesday 13 March 2007 13:05, Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: |
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> I wrote to Christel earlier today about this. But AFAIR we usually have at |
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> least a week to discuss such proposals. Apart from that enforcing our users |
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> this code of conduct with only three days of discussion is not what I find |
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> user friendly. |
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First of all, I think most part of the code is just common sense. That's also |
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the reason that it is not explicit about many things. Strictly defined rules |
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don't apply in all situations, and jerks find ways around them or to argue |
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that the rule does not apply to them. |
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The modus operandi should be: "We (council) define what is acceptable |
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behaviour. If you don't like it, vote us off and get a "better" council. |
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Until that time, comply. To me that is the only way to avoid free for all. We |
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have seen that taping things over doesn't work. |
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> Before getting into any detail, perhaps in another mail, I have one |
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> objection to this proposal. |
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> I think it is a waste of time giving more paper rules for Devrel to enforce |
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> as long as they are in effect powerless to stop Gentoo developers |
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> from bad behaviour. As long as we as a group of developers can't even live |
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> up to the code of conduct we have agreed upon I don't think it is wise to |
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> enforce such conduct on the rest of the community. |
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I don't see how this is an objection. It sound more like a remark or |
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observation. Naturally the enforcement needs to happen and infrastructure |
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must be supportive to that (e.g. by providing do-it-yourself tools to |
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devrel). |
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> I do support more power to Devrel but lets try to keep the house clean |
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> before we take care of the garden. |
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Well, I don't consider -dev to be our garden, but rather gentoo's living with |
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an open door policy. Most participants are either devs, or are close to being |
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devs. In any case they are not general users. |
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Paul |
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ps. I would also like to suggest that the devrels looks at things like micro |
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bans. That is, banning someone for a couple of days from sending to the |
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mailing list. This could be effective against e.g. people who continue to |
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feed trolls after being warned not to do so. |
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Paul de Vrieze |
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Gentoo Developer |
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Mail: pauldv@g.o |
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Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net |
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