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On Jan 15, 2008 12:16 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 22:53 +0000, likewhoa wrote: |
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> > Which DE/WM would you prefer for the gentoo livecd instead of the one |
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> > provided? |
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> > > Kde |
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> > > Xfce |
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> > > Fluxbox |
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> > > E16 |
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> > > Fvwm |
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> > > Gnome |
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> > > Other |
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> Can I suggest that we not ask anything that we likely won't change? I |
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> have a strong feeling that KDE would win out here, but there's *NO WAY* |
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> that we can fit KDE on a LiveCD with the other stuff. When we were |
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> planning 2007.1, we had decided to switch to Xfce, simply because of the |
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> space savings. Cramming a lot of useful stuff onto 700MB is *not* an |
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> easy task. Space is our biggest enemy here. Were we to drop the LiveCD |
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> fully in favor of the LiveDVD, then I could see this as (somewhat) |
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> valid, as all of those Window Managers/Desktop Environments are already |
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> shipped on the LiveDVD (except FVWM). I'm not too interested in |
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> people's opinions for the defaults on a media set that includes them all |
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> and each is only a click or two away, though, as it doesn't really add |
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> anything to what we provide. If it weren't for the size constraints, |
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> I'd love to know what people prefer on the CD, so I don't want anyone to |
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> think that we don't care. We do. We just are limited by a hard size |
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> limit than we cannot do anything about and have to act accordingly. |
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I totally agree with you on that and when I asked that question I only |
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wanted to see what people prefer and I don't expect users to demand a |
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change based on the survey question responce. I for one love to have |
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the livecd run on a WM vs a DE, but again I start the livecd with |
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'gentoo nox' most times. Maybe the livecd should run a WM and the |
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liveDVD can run the rest this would free up the livecd and give it |
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more room for other packages that are missing on the livecd, these |
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packages could be stuff like wifi tools,system rescue tools, benchmark |
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etc. |
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> > Do they use grp packages? |
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> > > Yes |
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> > > No |
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> > > What is grp? |
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> > > Sometimes |
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> > > Never |
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> Definitely word this in a manner so people know what you're referring |
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> to. I would say something more along the lines of "Do you use the |
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> Installer in Networkless mode or GRP packages when installing your |
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> system?" |
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Good way to put it, I was gonna add "GRP - Gentoo Release Packages" myself. |
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> > Which livecd(s) do they prefer? |
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> > > Gentoo livecd-2007.0 |
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> > > Sabayon livecd |
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> > > Sysresccd |
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> > > Knoppix |
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> > > My own |
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> > > Other |
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> Be sure to list the Minimal CD and the Universal CD, as well as the |
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> LiveCD, and also list the LiveDVD. We'll have to relate this data to |
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> the architecture used when we try to make anything useful out of it, but |
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> it'll be more accurate, as I definitely want to know *which* Gentoo |
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> media people are using. I would also add something like "an older |
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> Gentoo CD" to the mix. |
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> > Do you think commercial packages should be part of the main tree? |
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> > > Yes |
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> > > No |
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> > > Why not |
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> > > Never! |
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> > > in unofficial overlay |
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> > > Dunno |
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> Is this something that we really even want to ask? I mean, if we're all |
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> about trying to provide the best user experience, then binary packages |
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> are almost a requirement, especially with binary packages that were |
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> originally targeted at specific binary distributions. I tend to see |
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> this as one of those "religious" issues that is best left alone, like |
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> emacs versus vi. |
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Yea commercial packages should maybe be part of overlays.gentoo.org so |
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that the tree can stay clean from these types of packages. But I agree |
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if it's decided not to included in the user survey. |
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> > How often should GWN be updated? |
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> > > once a week |
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> > > everyday |
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> > > every month |
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> > > every six months |
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> > > what is GWN? |
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> Again, you're asking something that I don't think that we should be |
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> asking. We couldn't get content even though we begged and pleaded for |
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> it. No offense meant to anyone, but I don't care if people want a daily |
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> newsletter. If we cannot get enough content, we cannot get enough |
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> content. No survey is going to change that, and asking a question like |
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> this gives the impression that the user's opinion will make a |
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> difference, when it likely will not. I'd much rather not ask questions |
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> that the users are going to feel like they were "ignored" than ask them |
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> and not make any changes based on the answers. Of course, if you're |
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> volunteering to pick up the slack and write any necessary articles to |
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> make it happen at the interval decided by our users, well, I completely |
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> welcome it, then... ;] |
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> > Do you like the Gentoo Linux Installer (GLI)? |
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> > > Yes |
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> > > No |
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> > > Never heard of it |
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> I'd like to see the answers to this one, but I have a feeling that |
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> everybody has a love/hate relationship with this. They either love it, |
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> or they hate it. I also tend to think that *many* people have an |
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> opinion on the Installer without ever even using it. As such, I don't |
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> think that we'd get any usable results out of this, but it'll still be |
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> fun to ask. |
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I for one never used it so I can't really love or hate it but from |
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what people who have used it tells me to stay away from it because |
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I'll eventually hate it. |
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> -- |
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> Chris Gianelloni |
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> Release Engineering Strategic Lead |
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> Games Developer |
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Thanks for the great feedback Chris Gianelloni |
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Fernando |
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