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On Sun, 07 May 2006 00:00:36 -0500, Daniel Goller wrote: |
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> get we have lost one important thing out of sight, gentoo is a distro by |
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> users for users, and the users i think are left out of the loop on this |
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> whole situation (more power to you userrel guys, please prove me wrong), |
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> why would we want to be more open and inviting if being a badass who |
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> passed some generic quiz is so much more fun. If everyone would step |
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> down from the pedestal for a while and looked around, then maybe, just |
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> maybe we would realize that we no longer do things to be there for them |
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> (the users) but for ourselves, anything is geared towards improving our |
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> leetness level, why do things have to be so complicated that people |
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> think one can not work on ebuilds w/o some super hard special quiz or |
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> two, it all gears towards "what you don't know how to use XYZ, you must |
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> not be very smart/leet/cool." |
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Nice rant. Reminds me of the end of James Joyce's "Ulysses." Goes on |
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forever without one period! |
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Anyway, I am a user, and I feel like I can respond. I have participated on |
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bugzilla, contributed some ebuilds, tried to get a project going (nvidia |
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unified drivers), and I never felt like I was not encouraged to |
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participate or that my contributions were not wanted or appreciated. In |
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fact, the only REALLY negative thing that happened was when Ciaran ripped |
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me a new a---hole because he objected to the line spacing I used in a |
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proposed ebuild. Not the ebuild itself, but the line spacing! |
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I also took some flak on bugzilla for duplicate bugs or disputes over |
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validity of a bug report, etc. However, all of this eventually worked out. |
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In a community as large as this, and as fast moving, control is important. |
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I disagree with your assessment of the dev test. I think it's important |
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for up and coming devs to know the rules and how to apply them. Especially |
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when it comes to having access to the tree. I also think it's important to |
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have rules. There is no such thing as a utopian society, and nothing will |
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ever satisfy all persons. A greatest good for the greatest number approach |
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seems reasonable (as John Stuart Mill proposed a few centuries ago). |
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I think what you're seeing is the beginnings of a transitional period for |
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Gentoo. Unlike other distros where control is tightly centralized, |
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Gentoo's openness is part of its problem as it grows. It will be a test of |
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the leadership to make sure that the distro has a clear course and that |
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internecine squabbles are dealt with at the appropriate level. Hopefully |
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devrel will be such a level. |
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I could not tell exactly what upset you so much about the current state of |
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affairs. Were you upset at Ciaran's departure? Were you upset that he was |
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"voted off the island?" Did someone say something to you which offended or |
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upset you? Personally, I will not miss Ciaran and his "I can kill you with |
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my brain." I was not impressed, or scared! |
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Or, perhaps, as happens with many people, it was just time. Time to move |
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on. That happens, and it's perfectly normal. But that it was your time to |
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"eject" does not imply there's any trouble here. |
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Good luck with your Source Mage. For me, getting involved with a new beta |
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project does not fit in with day to day requirements of a stable, running |
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system. |
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Peter |
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