Re: [gentoo-dev] Uncoordinated changes

[Patrick Lauer]

On 02/12/2016 08:48 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dear Ignorant Patrick,
Hello human! Your politeness module seems to have crashed.

And thanks for making me do a quintuple facepalm with backflip. I think
that's a new record. So anyway ...
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:15:34 +0100
> Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o> wrote:
>
>> ... or why just changing stuff is not enough:
>>
>> A few days ago I was told that
>> http://euscan.gentooexperimental.org/herds/ was displaying an empty
>> list. Which is annoying because people sometimes want to see what
>> upstream updates are available for their herd.
>>
>> Well, we renamed herd to project. Because reasons.
> No, we didn't. Herd was collection a packages. Project is a collection
> of developers. Project coexisted with herds for a long time. As it was
> explained already in length. Multiple times.
So you just pivoted the organization from A->B to B->A.

I still don't see the advantage in that. Maybe I should have expressed
my concerns more vocally, but in general I don't have time to worry
about all the little things.

>
>> I don't care how it is named, but this change broke euscan in a
>> user-visible way. Now I could just try to rename things there too, but
>> that won't work:
>>
>> euscan uses gentoolkit for parsing metadata.xml and herds.xml
>> (Since herds.xml is basically unmaintained cruft at this point this will
>> break soon anyway ... but ...)
>> Changing gentoolkit to use projects.xml instead of herds.xml won't be a
>> simple migration since the data organization changed.
>>
>> Now instead of looking up [metadata.xml] -> (herd name) -> [herds.xml]
>> -> email it goes backwards:
>> [metadata.xml] -> (maintainer type=project) -> email -> [projects.xml]
>> -> Project name
>>
>> Since this involves XML and python's ElementTree library it's a
>> nontrivial change that also removes a few now useless helpers
>> (_get_herd_email has no reason to be, but we'd need a _get_herd_name
>> helper instead. Err, get_proj ... ah well, whatever name works)
>>
>> And all that just so (1) gentoolkit output works and (2) euscan updates
>> properly. Both of which I don't really care about much, but now that
>> I've invested ~4h into debugging and trying to fix it I'm a tiny bit
>> IRRITATED.
> You are completely incorrect, as you have been told already multiple
> times. People would really appreciate if you spent at least a little
> part of the time you spend complaining, inventing issues and insulting
> others listening to what they're telling you.
>
> So let me repeat, again. euscan works. Want packages from Python
> project? Then select the appropriate maintainer from the 'maintainers'
> section:
So you're saying I have no way to search by herd, err, project now.
And I can't even find projects in the soup of maintainers.

... and metadata is now partially broken.

*ahem* This not of good idea sounding.
>
> http://euscan.gentooexperimental.org/maintainers/python@g.o/
>
> Done. Was it that hard? Now the big surprise: you didn't have to create
> some convoluted logic to get that! You don't need projects.xml to get
> that! Of course, you'd know that if you would listen for a single
> minute instead of throwing insults at others.
If you had actually understood my criticism you would understand why I
might be a tiny bit irritated.

Some functionality is now actively *gone*, and that's not a feature.
>
>> Please, next time someone has the brilliant idea of changing stuff just
>> to change it (I still don't see a reason why we had to change
>> metadata.xml?), it should be required that support tools are fixed
>> *before* the change, and working versions released. This avoids grumpy
>> people and makes it harder for those that change things to head-in-sand
>> and claim everything works as expected when it obviously doesn't.
> The fact is: things *work as expected*. If you have problem accepting
> reality as it is, then it's your fault, not ours. Herds no longer
> exist. Everything is based on *maintainers* now. Tools are not supposed
> to magically turn project information back into herd-oriented design.
Right, so gentoolkit returning bad info is a good thing. I find that
hard to integrate into my understanding of the world ...


Please don't redefine what 'expected' means to suit your limited
usecases. It just causes friction and unhappy response from people that
now have to spend lots of time figuring out how things diverge from
their 'expected', which usually ends in *facepalm* omg how did that happen.

Plus the usual sequence of strongly-worded letters to the UN ;)
>
> As I said before, please direct any further complaints directly to
> the Council, and stop insulting the messenger. The Council has banned
> herds explicitly before I even started working on GLEP 67. It was
> the guideline I had to follow.
>
Hey thanks for publically demonstrating your unwillingness to cooperate
with others.

So now I know that in the future I will

(1) categorically deny any change requests coming from you and
(2) block/revert any changes that I don't like or understand.

Nothing personal, just basic sanity.


Have fun not being a team player,

Patrick