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On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote: |
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[Proctor system] |
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> a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as |
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> has been suggested? |
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Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors. |
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I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear |
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guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and |
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what not to but due to language barriers, cultural differences etc. it's |
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difficult to judge. |
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Furthermore, where do we need them? The Forums are moderated by an, IMHO, |
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excellent team. IRC is more or less self-moderated. |
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That basically leaves the mailinglists and among those, the only one that |
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*might* arguably need supervision could be -dev. |
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Do we really need moderation on the list? Or could we just literally |
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moderate ourselves instead? Could we try and succeed to be just ignore |
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some flames instead of adding oil to the fire? |
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And even if we can't: We still have DevRel we can complain to. Yes, DevRel |
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is for inter-developer conflicts but let's look back in the archives a |
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bit - do we really need more than that? Most conflicts arise between |
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active developers and, well, one active retired-dev. |
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Do we really need an entire team for dealing with one former dev in case |
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he goes too far? Or could we just agree to ignore him if he again behaves |
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inappropriately (or what some of us *feel* might be inappropriate)? |
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When I first read the CoC I had just read about the entire Ciaran-incident |
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on the respective bugs, Forums, mailinglists, blogs and many other |
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sources. CoC, while not bad in itself, seemed (and still seems) to me |
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like a "Lex Ciaran" - a document with that what I had just read clearly |
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in mind and targetted at preventing it. |
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While preventing it is a good goal in itself, writing a CoC based on an |
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actual case which has only recently occurred, usually leads to this |
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result and damages the whatever good intentions were involved because |
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other people will see the similarities as well. |
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More than that, it puts a strain on those who are entrusted with enforcing |
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the CoC because they will try, with the best motives, to prevent anything |
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like that happening again. And they will do it, as the proctors stated |
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themselves, pro-actively. |
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The problem is, though: In an asynchronous communications medium, you |
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simply cannot pro-actively do anything without bordering on what some |
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like to call censorship. You can only *re*act in such a situation. |
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Even *trying* to act pro-actively will lead to unrest as we've only very |
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recently seen it. If we accept my hypothesis of asynchronous |
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communication and the implications I described, we come to the conclusion |
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that reaction is the most likely way not to open Pandora's Box. |
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That leads back to DevRel. We have them to deal reactively with conflicts |
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after a complaint by either party involved. I stated, that on the |
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mailinglists, we mainly see inter-developer conflicts and those can be |
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handled by DevRel. |
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A small improvement to DevRel might be achieved, at least from what I've |
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seen by reading lots and lots of DevRel bugs, by taking action on |
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unfounded complaints, too. I'm speaking of trivial complaints, of course. |
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If, after both sides were investigated properly, the complaining party is |
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found to be exaggerating or too easily offended, disciplinary action |
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should be taken against it. Of course, this should be done light-handedly |
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but it should give the complaining party some time to learn from their |
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mistake. Maybe this is what's already intended - it's just that I haven't |
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found any examples. :) |
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I apologise for the long mail but I wanted to state clearly and without |
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too much emotions why I think we don't need the proctors and why we |
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should thank them for attempting to bring some order to the chaos and |
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give up on the concept as a whole. |
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Best regards, Wulf |