Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:30:22 +0000 Stuart Herbert <stuart@g.o>
wrote:
| On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 21:04 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Ok, so given that this is a closed source application, if upstream
| > won't cooperate on something as simple as this, why do you expect
| > them to cooperate with you on bugs or security issues?
| 
| That's not the issue here.  The issue here is whether the QA team is
| entitled to be requesting the removal of packages in this specific
| instance.

The issue is whether you have the right to leave broken packages in the
tree. I don't see any policy document granting you that right.

| There are never any guarantees that any UPSTREAM will co-operate with
| us on bugs or security issues.  If we can't live with the issues, and
| we can't fix them, the packages get dropped.  I've no problem with
| that.

Sure. And if upstream won't even cooperate to the extent of renaming a
file, how do you expect them to react when we require something less
trvial?

| > | Everything else is up for discussion.  I think it's unreasonable
| > | to say that I'm refusing to work with you.
| > 
| > You're repeatedly closing off the bug rather than suggesting
| > alternative ways of fixing the issue. 
| 
| I think, in this specific case, there are better things to spend the
| time on.  I don't have a queue of users telling me that the way we
| handle this today is a problem.  There's no evidence that, in this
| specific case, there is a problem out in the real world.

It's so bad a problem that you even had to document it in the user
guide and tell people to use some nasty hacked workaround.

| Hang on a moment.  It's not clear to me why I must go to the Portage
| team for a change, when it's the QA team demanding change?  As the QA
| team wants the change, why don't you go to the Portage team and ask
| them to implement DEST_PREFIX?

We don't have a legitimate demonstration package, and we're not going
to go and ask the Portage team to make code changes to support
hypothetical speculation. You're the only one with a test case here.

| > | The issue at hand is that the QA team is, in this case, repeatedly
| > | asking for something it doesn't have the authority to insist on.
| > | I also think you're being unreasonable in this specific case.
| > 
| > We're asking you to work with us in fixing a tree breakage. That's
| > our goal here. We can't do this if you just go around closing off
| > bugs and refusing to cooperate.
| 
| Please stop spreading FUD, and libelling my name here.  

You've closed that bug five times now without fixing it.

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