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From: "Stephen P. Becker" <geoman@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:45:04
Message-Id: 42A79F46.7040203@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure by Jim Northrup
1 > I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my
2 > system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev
3 > channel to get pointers to the best "official" references to ebuild
4 > crafting and submission.
5 >
6 > As it was absolutely silent, I waited a few minutes and requested voice
7 > from the first notice of motion i saw in the channel.. "re", or some
8 > similar indication of important offical business commencing. I was
9 > informed that the bottom line was voice was only granted to developers,
10 > period, end of story, no exceptions, and I was obviously misinformed and
11 > should be elsewhere. Instead of anything like assistance I wound up
12 > being told
13 > 1) (condescension) it was people like me who try to skirt the gentoo
14 > process which are actually the problem even if we think it's contributing,
15 > 2)these important people in this channel are only here so that they can
16 > occasionally ping each other and see thier nickname had been highlighted.
17 > 3) that under no circumstance was I going to get an audience in
18 > #gentoo-dev, now or in future context, because it was for developers,
19 > and regardless of 20 years coding experience or working on linux since
20 > 0.99, I was not a developer
21 > 4) I could feel free to file a bug if I thought there was an issue, or
22 > talk to a recruiter about something to help out with.
23 >
24
25 Without hearing the other side of the story or seeing a transcript of
26 the conversation, it is hard to say whether whoever this was reacted
27 properly or not, however I would say they have a major stick up their
28 ass. Don't assume everybody in #gentoo-dev would have reacted to your
29 query the same way. For example, people have asked me for voice a few
30 times, and I grant it to them if their question or concern actually has
31 to do with development of gentoo. If the request amounts to user
32 support, I tell them to try #gentoo or bugzilla.
33
34 In any case, if they said voice was only granted to developers, they are
35 dead wrong. Developers have ops, while developers in training or
36 wannabe developers are typically granted voice.
37
38 -Steve
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