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On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 2016.11.09 22:41, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> I'll agree that the current system relies on people who feel that |
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>> Comrel isn't doing a good job to appeal their cases to the Council. I |
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>> completely support making changes to have more oversight of what is |
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>> going on. |
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> Nobody knows if comrel are doing a good job or not. That's the core |
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> issue. Appeals are far too late in the process and too infrequent to |
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> determine that. Its the community that need to be convinced too, |
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> not council nor the body of developers. |
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I've yet to see evidence that "the community" thinks that there is a |
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problem. However, while maintaining confidentiality (which you've |
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said you believe is necessary) ultimately the confidence is going to |
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need to come from the oversight of elected bodies. |
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> Oversight is something that is exercised continuously/frequently, not |
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> after the event. It's oversight that ensures that decisions when they |
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> are reached are supported rather than questioned by the community |
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As far as I can tell Comrel decisions ARE supported by the community, |
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notwithstanding the maybe half-dozen people posting in threads like |
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these. |
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The number of people coming forward with concerns is probably smaller |
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than Comrel itself. |
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>> |
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>> So, while I think some steps to have a bit more oversight are |
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>> warranted, I'm really not expecting it to lead to any drastic |
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>> revelations. It isn't like Comrel is detaining people in Gitmo. If |
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>> there was some trend of inappropriate action I'm pretty sure those |
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>> impacted would find a way to make their concerns known. |
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> They would just not apply to become Gentoo devs. Maybe start a |
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> project of their own ... |
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> Community here, includes anyone who contributes to Gentoo. |
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> I don't share your confidence that many of them would make their |
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> concerns known, they would just go away ... path of least |
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> resistance. |
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Well, if they are in fact violating the CoC then that is best for all |
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involved. In any case, we have anonymous stats on the degree of |
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comrel action, and my understanding is that before the reporting |
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period that they cover Comrel was largely inactive. |
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There isn't a lot of room for abuse when Comrel is only taking actions |
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a handful of times. Certainly I don't see Gentoo forks popping up |
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everywhere. |
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> With the mergers, that confidence has been eroded. |
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Honestly, I think this is something you need to substantiate. |
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And if you have other ideas for improvements you're welcome to post |
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them. My understanding is that you oppose most of the proposals |
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around making Comrel cases public which seems to be what those who are |
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most who are calling for change want. |
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Rich |
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