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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:09:16
Message-Id: 5246E1F5.9050302@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 by Tanstaafl
1 On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
2 > On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
3 >> No really,*why exactly*?
4 >
5 > Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
6 > set this system up many years ago.
7
8 This was something almost all of us recommended way back then. Lord only
9 knows why we recommeded that. Maybe it was small drives (which didn't
10 have), maybe it was different mount options (which I never did and never
11 saw anyone else do either), or maybe it was for thin clients (which I
12 only ever saw in use once - Shuttleworth labs in University of Cape Town).
13
14 So why did we all (and I included myself) recommend this so much? Dude,
15 I have no idea, but I *think* we were cargo-culting more than any other
16 single factor.
17
18
19 > I have no philosophical reason reason to stick with it, only a (maybe
20 > irrational) fear of breaking things if I attempt to merge it back into /.
21 >
22 > This, combined with an intense (also maybe irrational) desire to avoid
23 > like the plague using an initramfs, is why this decision to FORCE me
24 > into a position of possibly having to break my system (either by a filed
25 > attempt at merging /usr into /, or a failed attampt at using an initramfs).
26
27 No-one is forcing you to do anything, the news item did not say that.
28
29 It says that if you do it, the devs will not support you and you are on
30 your own. It also says that in the dev's opinion, the day when you can
31 no longer support it either is probably not too far away
32
33 > I too sincerely hope eudev bypasses this issue.
34
35 This has nothing to do with eudev, not with udev
36
37 > The main thing about this that pisses me off is the lack of enough
38 > warning... one month? Really? One month to compleyelt rebuild a seerver
39 > that has been running flawlessly for many years, just because someone
40 > doesn't like something that has been done for many years?
41
42
43 First, it is not one month, it is much longer. We've all been whinging
44 about the issue for most of this year. Two, why do you think you need to
45 rebuild the entire machine? You don't need to do that just to merge two
46 filesystems.
47
48 To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
49 rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
50
51 Please see the news item for what it actually is, not something else.
52
53
54 --
55 Alan McKinnon
56 alan.mckinnon@×××××.com

Replies

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Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org>
Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us>