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On 05/08/2015 05:28, Felix Miata wrote: |
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>> If we (gentoo) had a simple installation semantic, this sort of problem |
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>> > would most likely disappear; so the wider community could delve into other |
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>> > technical support issues...... YMMV. |
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> I get the feeling Gentoo isn't a right choice for people who need a "simple |
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> installation semantic". |
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Bingo. |
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People keep trying to dumb Gentoo down and make it somehow automagic. |
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These people uniformly do not understand the entire Gentoo landscape. |
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Here's what binary distros do: |
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A bunch of dudes decide how the thing will be built. They make choices. |
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A bunch of maintainers decide how their package will be built and what |
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it will do. They make choices. |
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Both groups give their choices to you. If you do not like their choices, |
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use a different distro. |
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By making choices and mostly casting them in stone, these maintainers |
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have swapped the ability to have anything you want and replace it with |
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ease of use (or lack of having to think about detail). |
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Here's how Gentoo works: |
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All of the above, you do yourself. You assume the entire responsibility |
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that distro devs take, and you take it all upon yourself, the whole damn |
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lot. Gentoo devs do make choices, but this process is not in any way |
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comparable to what binary distros do. In Gentoo, a dev's choice is a |
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reasonable default, you always have the option to do it your way (and |
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keep all the tiny pieces when it shatters) |
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It should be more obvious now why "simple installation semantic" is a |
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total oxymoron in a Gentoo setting. It is a) anything but simple and b) |
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your vast array of choices (limited only by what upstream sources can be |
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configured to do) blow any idea of a consistent framework out of the water. |
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The best you will do with a Gentoo install semantic is satisfy a clearly |
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defined sub-set of Gentoo users. |
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Put another way and using a car analogy: |
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Fedora gives you an off the floor model from a dealer, complete with |
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lots of options like auto/manual or aircon or optional electric mirrors. |
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Gentoo is a kit car, with the option of not even having a body mould if |
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you don't want one. Want to design and make it all yourself? Yeah you |
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can do that. Want to rather make a beach buggy that someone else did the |
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work on, re-use their work so you can concentrate only on the paint |
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detail? Yeah, that is supported to. |
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Every time I hear the words "simple" or "just" in a Gentoo context, I |
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have to suppress a laugh :-) |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |