Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 27, 2016 5:39:09 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey <peter@××××××××××××.uk> wrote:
>On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 15:19:29 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey
><peter@××××××××××××.uk> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> >> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving?
>> >
>> >My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly!
>> >
>> >I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached
>a
>> >couple of screen shots to show you what I mean.
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> >Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all
>those
>> >folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading
>> >them; now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more
>compact
>> >arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with
>> >kmail:4 I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do
>makes
>> >any improvement.
>>
>> I would expect font settings. In kmail:4 there is a display part in
>the
>> settings menu. I never did anything directly with Qt to chamge
>anything.
>> I have too many folders anyway for it to fit (unless I would have a
>BIG
>> 4K screen...)
>
>You see how spaced out the folder list is? There's no setting for that
>in
>KMail as far as I can see. The Qt Configuration tool has an Interface
>tab.
>Under Global Strut you can set minimum width and height. The default is
>
>zero, giving Qt free rein to do what it likes, but I could set those to
>1
>and kmail:4 would tuck all those folder entries up so that they fitted
>without scrolling. It has no effect on kmail:5 though.

Is the qt config for qt4 or qt5?
You might need to find the settings/tool to apply to qt5. Kmail:4 is qt4 based.
(I never played with that tool, which package is it? And which command do I run?)

>> >Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks
>like
>> >in this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is
>with
>> >all the bells and whistles I can find switched off.
>>
>> That actually looks nice to me. Do the minus (-) blocks actually
>allow the
>> quotes to be folded up?
>
>To each his own of course, but for myself, I just want the text with
>some
>quoting. Yes the minus blocks do fold up, but all of them or none.
>There's
>no individual control.

That sounds like it's only halfway implemented. Hope they fix that.
The quoting is coloured like that based on a 'simple' algorithm, I would guess.
In kmail4, I think that was configurable?

>I found a new header selection. After switching it back from 5.2 style
>to
>Fancy, it's back the way I like it.

Is that similar to the 'fancy' style from kmail4? I find that one the more natural option myself.

>> >Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I
>had
>> >to
>> >install several other packages to complete it, including the import
>> >wizard.
>> >Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done
>with
>> >it.
>> >
>> >Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell
>checking,"
>> >even
>> >though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell
>are
>> >both
>> >installed.
>>
>> Hmm... that's not nice. Then again, I only use spell check for
>documents.
>> Not emails. Never really trusted those ever since I saw dictionaries
>get
>> automatically ruined by 'do you want to add this word to the
>dictionary'.
>
>Kmail:4 used to default to Australian English, no matter how many times
>I
>reminded it I'm in the UK. This one has no back-end at all.
>
>--->8

Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match for someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends and computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly).
I usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get asked.

>> >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed
>> >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been
>> >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain,
>> >unobtrusive
>> >grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no
>drama.
>> >Now,
>> >the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red,
>> >and
>> >what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see
>the
>> >red
>> >traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component.
>>
>> Always possible. I tend to just install the meta stuff and be done
>with
>> it.
>
>I've found a lot more KDE-5 meta-packages and installed those, but they
>
>haven't helped with this.

What about plasma-meta?
I think that pulls in the whole shebang?

>> >Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a
>> >segmentation fault.
>>
>> That is a bug. Hope it gets ironed out soon. Maybe still busy
>indexing
>> your emails?
>
>Could be. I'll try leaving it for an hour or two.
>
>Since I wrote, I've noticed that the messages I imported from kmail
>archive
>are not all in the right folders - about 2000 have magically jumped
>from the
>Purchases folder to the inbox. I'm also seeing a reversion to that old
>problem of silly numbers of duplicates appearing in random places at
>random
>times. I had hoped that would be among the first things to be ironed
>out in
>the :5 version.

Again, could be related to killing akonadi while indexing.
Or corruption in the database caused by the segfaults.
You could try:
# akonadictl fsck
I usually restart akonadi first to ensure I can follow the messages in a konsole:

> in konsole 1:
# akonadictl stop
# akonadictl status (repeat this till it says stopped)
# akonadictl start

> in konsole 2:
# akonadictl fsck

Then monitor in konsole 1 to see what it does. It actually reports on it's fsck status there with what it finds and fixes.

Personally, I think akonadi is a nice idea for when people store all their email locally. As I use IMAP to store my email, it does a lot of duplicate efforts. But with that, I have luckily been spared from the duplicate email or dissapearing email issues others have encountered.

>> >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform
>for
>> >development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of
>work
>> >lies ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting
>too,
>> >at it and at the devs.
>>
>> I'll try to get my desktop converted this week. And will join in the
>> bugreporting party.
>
>It would be good to have someone to compare notes with.
>
>--->8

Give me some time to do the installation. Will need to first kill kde4 parts on the desktop before doing the upgrade.
I run mostly stable. Will see how that goes.

>> >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows.
>>
>> Just don't climb behind the wheel of a car afterwards....
>
>No, it's just a wee stroll. Takes longer to get my shoes on.   :-)

Slippers and warm socks not an option? Saves a lot of time, I would think.
And the alcohol will make you feel warm enough, including your toes....

--
Joost


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