Re: [gentoo-user] Portage spokes again...

[Alan McKinnon]

On 21/12/2016 21:51, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:20 PM,  <Meino.Cramer@×××.de> wrote:
>>
>>> The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
>>>  (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
>>> # required by kde-plasma/kwin-5.8.3::gentoo
>>> # required by kde-plasma/plasma-workspace-5.8.3-r4::gentoo
>>> # required by net-p2p/ktorrent-5.0.1::gentoo[shutdown]
>>> # required by @selected
>>> # required by @world (argument)
>>>> =media-libs/mesa-12.0.1 wayland
>>
>>
>> I suggest ignoring this for the moment and see if the info above
>> resolves your systemd issues.  I'm not sure why kwin has the
>> dependency that it does, but it looks to me like it is set up as a
>> hard dependency that you can't avoid without modifying the ebuild.
>> I'll see if I can figure out more.  The changes above should at least
>> get rid of whatever is pulling in systemd.
>>
>> Installing wayland shouldn't actually hurt anything.  I noticed that I
>> have it installed likely for the same reason, and it isn't like it
>> will start running on its own. But, I'm not sure yet whether you can
>> avoid it.
>>
>
> Well, I should have just waited to reply, but here is the issue:
> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-July/008725.html
>
> kwin does in fact have a non-conditional dependency on wayland, so you
> need to install it.  It won't do anything if you don't run it, but it
> is not possible to build kwin without wayland support.  Judging by the
> claim in the email that it used to take 100 conditionals in the source
> to make it optional, I doubt anybody in Gentoo will be patching this
> anytime soon.  I guess you could always fork it if you wanted to.
>
> So, sorry, not what you wanted to hear, and not really what I care to
> hear either since I don't use wayland, but at least it doesn't need to
> be running in this case.  I wouldn't be surprised if that changes in
> the future, but everybody knows that xorg is on borrowed time right
> now.
>
> Well, if nothing else at least this splits the thread so that you can
> reply to the systemd and the wayland issues separately...
>


Doesn't it strike you as curious that the 4 extra wayland packages
consume 8.5M installed (sans size of sources in distfiles) and for 18
months no-one has raised nary a whimper about it, whereas recall the
giant whinge-fest a while back about a few 10s of harmless unit files
(text), each less than one fs block?

For the record, openrc user here on Gentoo; systemd on Ubuntu at work
(no feasible choice with Ubuntu)

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Alan McKinnon
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