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23.11.2005, 0:26:03, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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>> However, Gentoo still provides stage1 and stage2 tarballs. This is for |
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>> development purposes (the Release Engineering team starts from a stage1 |
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>> tarball to obtain a stage3) but shouldn't be used by users: a stage3 tarball |
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>> can very well be used to bootstrap the system." </snip> |
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>> Sorry, but that does not answer the original FAQ question at all... |
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> Umm... yeah. So you snip it RIGHT BEFORE THE INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS... |
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> Good show... *rolleyes* |
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I can summarize those "ommited" instructions for you, looks pretty much like |
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this: How do I make a cup of coffee? Uhm, you first make a cup of tea, then |
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pour it out into the kitchen sink, and then make your coffee. |
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> emerge -e world && emerge -e world && emerge depclean |
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You've missed revdep-rebuild to fix the borkage that emerge depclean produced. ;) |
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>> Sure, I can use hardened stage3, compiled for i386 and enjoy the Debian |
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>> feeling. ;p |
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> You can do whatever you like. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. |
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> That being said, you are not going to force *me* to do anything, either. |
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Hmm, have I missed an argument here? Actually, the above is incorrect. You |
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*are* forcing me to use stage3, but whatever... after all I still have the nice |
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choice to not use GRP, as already mentioned previously, so no need to complain. |
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> Look. I don't care what you think I should do. I really don't. You can |
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> argue this point until you're blue in the face, but until I see you |
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> volunteering to do THE WORK you really have no say. This really is something |
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> that is an internal decision to Release Engineering. We have discussed it |
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> and we're in agreement here. Now, the one thing that I've not seen *anyone* |
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> here do is step up to help with any of this. Instead, all I see is flames, |
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> name calling, and other useless arguments. We decided that we do not want to |
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> put out unsupported, known broken, crap. |
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> Do you really not understand the fact that we are making an attempt to |
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> improve the quality of our distribution. We are trying to improve the end |
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> user experience. We have already seen that users are not following the |
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> documentation, as it is. The Handbook keeps growing in size and complexity, |
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> and there's no end in sight. All the while, the quality is going to shit |
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> because we crossed the line where we can feasibly test what we're producing a |
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> long, LONG time ago. You're more than welcome to argue this for as long as |
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> you want, but I am done. |
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<sarcasm class="strong"> |
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Yeah, as I see it, this will only reach the acceptable quality when it goes |
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GLI click click click way, of course also additionally hiding the dangerous use |
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flags from users so that they cannot possibly break anything when installing, |
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since they don't read the instruction properly. By that time, most of the |
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people who cared will have switched to LFS, and the rest won't mind really. And |
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additionally, this might attract a considerable Manra^^Wiva user base, so |
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everyone will benefit. ;p |
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</sarcasm> |
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*Now* I hope I've finally been sarcastic enough to justify the incredibly |
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pissed-off tone you've shown in your previous reply. I've not exactly seen any |
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flames or name calling here, and I'm not the one to blame for the fact |
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that you're feeling overloaded. Jump back in when you are in more constructive |
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mood. With this level of irritation caused by anyone who does not jump happily |
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on stage1 grave, the debate lacks any sense. Bleh... |
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