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On 07/24/2012 09:33 AM, Fabian Groffen wrote: |
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> On 24-07-2012 09:24:03 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> I guess this is a matter of opinion, but on Gentoo I don't think we're |
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>> really at much risk of driving people away by OVER-communicating. Our |
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>> users are used to things changing and a certain level of |
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>> fix-it-yourself, but if we know something is going to cause no end of |
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>> questions it only makes sense to throw the users a bone once in a |
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>> while. |
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> |
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> The way in which news items aggressively request your attention, makes |
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> them something that should only be used if it's obvious it's important |
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> for the user (e.g. postfix thing for postfix users). |
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> This particular change seems more something for -announce, note in the |
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> handbook, and something like the suggestion of a file giving a nice |
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> hint. |
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> My impression is that the message is absolutely useless to the majority |
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> of users on their *already installed* system, so don't make everyone |
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> have to see the news item notice a couple of times and run `eselect news |
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> read` just for this. |
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While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I |
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respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, |
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ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when |
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gentoo was versioned 1.x and it pleases me, I don't care if those steps |
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are not in the docs anymore or discouraged or whatever. I've not even |
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glanced at the handbook for years, yet I've installed gentoo on dozens |
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of systems since the last time I did. |
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This is a big enough change that it will throw users who do not know, |
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and my first impression of /etc/make.conf et all missing on a new stage |
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is "file a bug report for a broken stage and assign it to those morons |
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in releng". (please note the comic exaggeration and not a disrespect). |
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This is a change that will break all new installs and expecting |
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experienced gentoo users to read the handbook is simply a fantasy. |
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Please, keep the news item. |
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Thanks, |
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Zero |
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