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On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:34 PM, James <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> No wonder the gentoo dev graveyard is so much bigger than those who are |
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> still active.... |
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You're probably conflating effect with cause. It isn't like the |
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treecleaners arose and drove off all the devs. (How could they? |
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There are only a few of them, and Gentoo policy does operate by |
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majority rules.) |
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It is more like Gentoo's popularity has waned somewhat and we don't |
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have as many devs as we used to, and treecleaners have been removing |
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packages. |
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Really all it takes to keep a package around is somebody standing up |
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to commit to take care of it, and they don't have to be a developer. |
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If nobody is willing to do that (and yes, you do need to follow QA |
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standards when doing so), then removal is just a matter of time. |
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> Every other distro is at peace with java, but not |
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> gentoo. It never has been. Many devs just hate java and do everything they |
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> can to removed it from gentoo, imho. |
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I won't disagree that most Gentoo devs tend to dislike Java. Half the |
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reason we use github as much as we do is because the alternatives |
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mostly use Java and infra doesn't want to touch it with a ten foot |
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pole, and neither do any volunteers, really. |
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However, all it really takes to make Gentoo well-supported on Gentoo |
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is a dev or two willing to enthusiastically care for it. Ultimately |
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Gentoo is what we make of it. |
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And of course you can maintain all this stuff on an overlay if you |
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prefer. Nobody could even stop you from doing that. I don't get why |
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you think there is some conspiracy out to get rid of overlays. Many |
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Gentoo projects use them, most Gentoo devs use them, they're clearly |
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useful, and there is no real benefit to anybody to try to lock things |
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down so that only official overlays work. |
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Really the only goal here is to make sure the stuff that bears |
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Gentoo's name is secure and well-maintained and doesn't create burdens |
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on other projects. Nobody really cares what you do on your own |
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overlay, because it doesn't have any effect on anything Gentoo does. |
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So, if even one person decided to put some well-maintained packages on |
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a java overlay then anybody who wants to use them could. |
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The irony here is that I tend to favor keeping unmaintained packages |
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around as long as possible. I've certainly gotten into arguments with |
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treecleaners in the past. However, there are sometimes lines that |
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packages end up on the wrong side of, and at that point either |
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somebody has to put in the work to fix them, or they need to be |
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removed. |
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